Ukraine, Explained

I understand those who have an emotional response to the Russia-Ukraine War. I have, myself, experienced some sports-stands reactions (Yay, MY team!) to news about the events.

Nonetheless, the post from The Z Man makes a good case for staying more hands-off. I have friends who are Ukrainian-American (one a relative). I realize that this is not just another far-off war; this is PERSONAL.

But, in fact, for most Americans, it is not, and should not be. We cannot get involved in Yet Another Far-Off War (YAFOW). It drains our Treasury, it forces us into alliances with corrupt governments, and it allows the interests of Europe to dictate our national policy.

Where foreign wars are concerned, Just Say No.

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    • George Mckay on October 10, 2022 at 1:01 PM

    Linda, I am afraid it is too late now.  We are committed to this farce.  Bidet has put us in between a rock and a hard place.  The only REAL solution would be for Pootie to take a dirt nap and that nasty bastard is not likely to die – they will embalm him like Lenin.
    I really wish there was an out for this as billions are unaccounted for and billions more look to follow that down the corruption drain.  How much more we will give to Ukranian goons and thugs remains to be seen.  If repukes take over congress perhaps somebody will put a stop to it but, I am doubtful – Lindsey Graham thinks this is just the best thing we can do.
     

    • Pip McGuigin on October 10, 2022 at 1:10 PM

    We Americans have no use for Ukraine and the corruption it insists on. If Putin nukes their ass it would be bad . But it ain’t us. Tough luck for them. The only way the US should get involved is if the Us is responsible for the damned war in the first place. And of course we all know we are responsible. The PTB in this country are irredeemable assholes.

    • pc-not on October 10, 2022 at 7:28 PM

    For the most part, both parties have gotten this one wrong.  At the outset, back in March, I tended to go along with the MSM spin because alternative opinions were few and far between.  As I started educating myself, I soon learned that we were being propagandized on a level not seen before.  Much more so than Iraq and Afghanistan, Ukraine intervention by NATO and the US has been wrong on so many levels.  We have broken promises and been the aggressor on a level equal to our 19th century dealings with the Indian tribes.  Poking the Bear is an understatement.  The tragedy is that common sense analysis and thinking on the issue is censured at all levels.  In the meantime,  America is imploding and pushing Europe’s implosion ahead of itself.

    • Dan on October 10, 2022 at 9:57 PM

    The US is involved in Ukraine for one simple reason.  It’s a major money laundering conduit
    for the criminals in power.   If it weren’t for that Kiev would SOL and on their own.  It’s just
    that simple. 

    • John in Indy on October 11, 2022 at 2:29 AM

    The corruption that is Ukraine is most necessary to feed the billions of US .gov dollars put into that sinkhole back into the pockets of our own corrupt politicians by means of their foundations, their companies, and their relatives.
    The real problems the West faces due to our support of a proxy war in Ukraine is the collapse of the Western European economies due to a lack of fuel and electricity this winter, and a lack of food next year, due to an absence of fertilizer, primarilly made from the natural gas that Europe doesn’t have.
    The second major problem is military, and encompasses all of the West. Russia has caused us to spend most of our military supplies and ammunition in Ukraine, fighting a WWI trench war. Germany may not have enough ammo for their Army to fight for more than a week, while the US is stripping first line units, including Navy SEAL units, of their Carl Gustav rocket launchers and their ammunition. These are both anti-tank and anti-fortification weapons, heavily depended upon by our troops.
    Neither we nor the major European nations have increased weapons production at the rate needed to keep up with expenditures, never mind rebuilding our stocks in preparation for the possibility of a wider war in Europe.
    To me, I feel like I am looking at a train wreck about to happen. I can’t do anything about it, but I can’t look away.
    John in Indy
     

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